im4evergr8 Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I am on an A2 licence and I have taken my fz6 for restriction, but the garage keeps saying to me that the part hasn't come due to the dealer awaiting a registration certificate from vosa, now he has given me 3 different days it would arrive but hasn't due to vosa not sorting the paper work, is this the proper procedure for this or am I being take for a ride...
blackhat250 Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 New one on me,,,,its restricter on inlets aint it,, everthin is available in 24 hrs nowadays,,,
Moderator drewpy Posted July 8, 2014 Moderator Posted July 8, 2014 I think VOSA has to authenticate it to prove that it is indeed restricted ot anyone can claim that and not actually do the work properly. you would need a paper trail to sort out any insurance/police interest in the future
jimmy Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Maybe not. My sons virago got restricted and the mechanic just printed off the rolling road / dyno readings and signed it off on a piece of headed notepaper. The Insurance accepted it with no issues, in fact they stated that they didn't need the paperwork, as if something happened and the bike wasn't restricted as claimed, it would have nullified the policy
Moderator drewpy Posted July 8, 2014 Moderator Posted July 8, 2014 look what I found http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/November/nov1309-The-33bhp-certificate-rip-off/ 1
dt502001 Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Honestly guys I think the whole thing is BS! if you cant handel 45-50 hp then you cant handel 10 why bother putting a number on it,,,we dont this side and the accident rates haven't gone up or down.. poor riders are poor riders. Someone can bring in a vechicle for MOT with someone else's tires and rims on it and go home and switch them back, or de restrict thier bike, And I wouldn't know,,trust me it happens. Bottom line it's a stupid law that really cant be inforced
KirriePete Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 You don't need (or get) a certificate from VOSA (acksherly it's now DVSA, they've joined up with the DSA, but that's another story ....). If you were to use the bike for test you would need a statement from a dealer/specialist that it was restricted, dyno output sheets are not accepted at the test centre, but as you've already got your A2 ticket, that's not an issue. What could be a problem, and may get you in the poo with your insurers, is that the FZ6 puts out 98bhp as standard - you can only restrict down to 50% of the normal power which would put it at 49bhp when you are restricted to 47 ...... If the engine power of the motorcycle has been restricted to fit sub-category A2, the normal unrestricted power can’t be more than double its new restricted power. from here - DVSA bike licence categories So ..... the garage is talking bollocks.
im4evergr8 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Posted July 9, 2014 If its not done tonight then I will be fetching my bike along with the cash I paid to have it restricted as they are well and truly taking the mick, hats off to the guy if he's genuinely have issues with the supplier but there's no need to come out with all the bullocks story's about waiting on documents... cheers guys
Ttaskmaster Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 Honestly guys I think the whole thing is BS! if you cant handel 45-50 hp then you cant handel 10 why bother putting a number on it,,,we dont this side and the accident rates haven't gone up or down.. poor riders are poor riders. It took a while for me to cope with 40 after coming in as 12. After a few years, I was more than capable to handle 130, but those first few months of both the 12 and then the 40 were essential!
Tommy xs Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 It took a while for me to cope with 40 after coming in as 12. After a few years, I was more than capable to handle 130, but those first few months of both the 12 and then the 40 were essential! I have to agree with Ttasky on this with the power new bike's provide we do need some restriction's, but I think we should have kept with the old 250cc for learners. So less complicated than it is now, think it would have been easier to do my pilots licence back then than it is to do a motorcycle test now 1
dt502001 Posted July 9, 2014 Posted July 9, 2014 At least Iam4evergr8 got the answer he was looking for that he is getting the run around. What I have and will maintain is that a light bike is good to start on no matter the cc or hp. So anything from a 50 to a 500 twin will do the job as long as you can pick it up, and the bike fits you,so you can find out if your even cut out to ride a bike and have the ability. Some people just cant or shouldnt ride we have all see one. If you start out with 40 hp you will be used to how the power comes on and work with it if you start with 12 then get 40 you now have a new thing to learn and so the learning begins over,IMO thats counter productive. HP does not have anything to do with how someone rides,the right wrist and the grey matter between your ears does. I have been involved in every form of racing and seen kids 12yrs who could barley fit a 450 mx'er ride the wheels off it,14yrolds riding gsxr750's,13 yr old kids driving open wheel pro mod cars with 800 hp,and the list could go on and on.The point is that if you dont respect the HP then it will hurt you no matter if it 12 or 1000. And no law will do that 40 hp doing 70mph is the same as 1000 when you hit something. It wasn't the 960 extra hp that hurt you it was the sudden stop! To me it's the same as saying you can't give a kid a gun he will kill someone,thats just stupid,if you teach them saftey and the rules to operate it and they can understand them then no problem. But as usual our governments will have us all wraped in bubble foam to protect us from harm,if little richie rich can go buy a lambo and drive it then why punish people who want to ride bikes.Do you want the government telling you you have to buy another car with X hp so your son or daughter can learn how to drive? bet not! And your 100% right Tommy it was easier to get a pilot licence 30 yrs ago than it is to get a motor bike licence now 2
Ttaskmaster Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 "If you start out with 40 hp you will be used to how the power comes on and work with it if you start with 12" You'll have far less margin for error though, which is what the 125 allows for. You're also more likely to rely on power to get out of situations instead of learning/being forced to plan ahead and avoid them completely."HP does not have anything to do with how someone rides,the right wrist and the grey matter between your ears does." Then why aren't we all learning on 190hp bikes from the outset?"I have been involved in every form of racing" That's nice. How many of those races involved tracks with buildings, street lamps, phone boxes, kerbs, bridge pillars, pedestrians, cyclists and cunts in cars going both ways?"The point is that if you dont respect the HP then it will hurt you no matter if it 12 or 1000." Lower HP gives you a far larger margin for error. No point trying to sprint before you can walk. Most people who cannot do something well still respect the potential consequences of failure, but developing the skill to handle it generally requires starting off small."To me it's the same as saying you can't give a kid a gun he will kill someone,thats just stupid,if you teach them saftey and the rules to operate it and they can understand them then no problem." So you'd give them a .30cal machine gun to start off with, right? That's also only about the indexfinger and the grey matter, right? "if little richie rich can go buy a lambo and drive it then why punish people who want to ride bikes." Cars have many protective measures. Bikes are naked missiles. Also, I can pass my test and go buy a Hayabusa if I want. Far cheaper than a Lambo..."Do you want the government telling you you have to buy another car with X hp so your son or daughter can learn how to drive?" But can the average car do 0-60 in under 5 seconds? I bet not!! 1
Moderator mervin Posted July 10, 2014 Moderator Posted July 10, 2014 I know of someone that had a bike restricted , ans she was having difficulty riding/staying on it , someone suggested maybe the restrictors where the problem , she had them removed and now is much happier and far more confident on it
clarke Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 What annoys me are all these restrictions aimed at bikers but no restrictions placed on drivers. You can't ride a 50bhp motorbike at 17 but you can drive a 120bhp car with 4 passengers the day you pass your driving test. 1
dt502001 Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 All I can say to Task is that with that logic is that you should have been charged with failing to notice a fast aproching vechile from behind and failing to remove yourself,when you got rear ended. Many time I could have been rear ended but got out of the way by watching my mirrors and HP saved me and 12 wouldnt have done it.
Noise Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Well first off seeing how this one pans out. Now as most im always first in line to kick off about how "us" bikers get the fisting of a life time with road tax and having these stupid laws with what cc bike we ride, but......... riding a 125cc bike helps not only learn to ride and give you those extra few seconds to sort your self out but they also teach you road sence and all the other good stuff to stay say on the road. I will have to disagree with you Dt50 that HP is the golden knight that saves the day always and forever as that is pure bollocks, yes i have not been riding as long as you guys nor have i entered 1 bergillion races (i would look like a cock doing a race on betty for one) but i find general road awareness and ridign lines etc etc are key to "attempting" to stay safe and generally not acting like a prick also helps. As with the remark to Tasky getting rear ended, your telling me that when your just about to turn into your drive your always looking in your mirrors and not to where your going? there are mirror checks but when your looking to the directon your going you cant see whats coming behind you thus you get a shunt from a cunt.
Moderator mervin Posted July 11, 2014 Moderator Posted July 11, 2014 When my son wanted to restrrict a bandit a few years ago he got a kit off ebay secondhand , I contacted devon and Cornwalll police , and asked if the needed a certificate by law , they did not know and said they would find out , , A senior officer rang me back later and said no there is no requirement for a certificate, and off the record he said if you had the cert they still would not have proof that the restrictors where still in anyhow , but i know some insurance companies like em , but a Dyno print out should suffice i reckon ,
Preload Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 HP is nice to have but, its not everything, back in the day when everything was Black & White, if you had 50hp you had a Superbike. I self-restrict by going out on my old RD 40bhp on a good day, the FJR1300 145bhp and if anything I ride faster and generally better on the RD. The extra power on the FJR makes me lazy as I know that apart from another bike nowt will get near me. The mirror thing you should check them before every maneuver just to see if some knob is trying to get past either side of you. I have never been rear ended but its been close a few times though.
Ttaskmaster Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 All I can say to Task is that with that logic is that you should have been charged with failing to notice a fast aproching vechile from behind and failing to remove yourself,when you got rear ended. Many time I could have been rear ended but got out of the way by watching my mirrors and HP saved me and 12 wouldnt have done it. Then I'd counter-charge you with reckless driving, dangerous driving and speeding, based on how much HP you'd need to move from stationary, in order to escape a close vehicle approaching at 90mph on a 40mph road. Given the road layout at my incident, I'd further seek to charge you with attempted suicide, as you'd have ploughed yourself into a brick wall and/or charge you with attempted manslaughter, as you'd have ploughed into either the vehicle in front or the oncoming traffic. HP can save you in certain circumstances, but you have to give a learner something they can handle to start with. The fact that a Lambo is an unattainable starter car for almost every new driver out there makes you argument almost irrelevant, whereas anyone with £500 can get a bike capable of rocketing out of their control with only a touch too much throttle, is the factor here.
dt502001 Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 I dont know only ever been in 1 road accident 30 yrs ago on my bike and never been in a car accident. But why can some twit ride around in shorts and sandels and a brain cap,it would make more sence to me to mandate gear over HP. 12 hp or 40 throwing you down the road basical naked hurts the same. We don't have any hp restrictions and my 14yr old son is more than capable of riding a bike with 100 hp and he knows it hurts when you fall off so he rides with his head,you can't win races if you fall off so being the fastes and crashing alot dosent make for champions.Everyone during thier learning will fall off but if you don't have the power to make it through the tough stuff then your more likely to fall off. Personaly I don't think anyone should be allowed to ride on the road untill they have dirt biked,the skills you learn of bike control in the mud and sand will carry you through life on the road,I've yet to see a 30 foot gap to jump on the road! or a 90' incline of mud to climb. When he turn's 16 and gets his licence he will get what ever bike he wants and with 12 yrs of riding under his belt then he should be allowed to ride what ever he wants ,but their is one rule in this house you dont ride without your gear on EVER! And my old 1 piece Daneese leather's that don't fit me are hanging in the closet for him. As for reckless,dangerous,careless well that a matter of opinion what I am capable of doing on a bike should not be attempted by others,when I ride with others I tell them don't try to keep up ride at your own pace. Just because I make it look easy dosen't mean anything.
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