ha ha ha , bloody great advise , i will be sure to take it on board, at least i can use the practice picture that drewpy sent!!! bloody great.... still looking for the soddin thing, i think its the missus, its allways the missus, never seen it she says....probly got into one of her bloody cleaning frenzie's and binned it along with my dog, special collection of porn, shot gun, and my buy a thia bride, and my ipod, and my stash tin, and my neighbors cat , just to mention a few items.....i hope for her sake i find it , i asked her twice ...hence the two black eyes...l f'king o l