Sacha Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 i went out in a pink thong and flippers today whats wrong with that Pictures or it didn't happen. 1
jimmy Posted August 3, 2013 Posted August 3, 2013 I still cant understand how someones leg can get peeled coming off a bike. Surely there must be a piercing contact all round the leg, or the skin would just tear? Anyway no matter, I always wear an open face lid, leather jacket, gloves and boots, but will often ride with jeans on. I understand the risk involved, been riding bikes since 1981, so have seen and been in a few offs (including watching my mate fly off the back of another pals gsxr wearing only a T shirt and imitation leather (plastic) jeans, with only minor abrasions). My worst road rash involved me falling out the back of a transit van wearing just jeans and a T shirt. As stated above the cleaning up process at A&E was no fun
Ttaskmaster Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 I still cant understand how someones leg can get peeled coming off a bike. Surely there must be a piercing contact all round the leg, or the skin would just tear? If there's enough tension across the skin surface, it will rip wherever there is tension. However, degloving is not just skin, but flesh as well. Like if you pull on a muscle at one end, it rips in the middle or further up. I've been punched just under the chin, yet the skin tore along the edge of my lower lip.
jimmy Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Cheers for the explanation Tt I was thinking along the lines of wedding rings, bracelets and things like that 1
Ttaskmaster Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Roll your sleeve up. Relax your forearm completely. With your other hand, pinch a half inch along the underside of your forearm and wiggle it about. Feel the tension on the top side of your skin? Now rest your whole forearm on the desktop, keep it relaxed but press your whole forearm down into the surface. Now wobble it about. See where the skin moves round on the top? That's your tear point. Now go do that at 20-30mph on bare road surface!!
up.yours Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 ta for the detailed information Ttasky, il go and have my tea now
Ttaskmaster Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Gotta know all the facts afore ya rides yer bike. That image just might stop some stupid twat from misbehaving and save a life or few...
Moderator Airhead Posted August 7, 2013 Moderator Posted August 7, 2013 Heres topical http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/police-warning-to-t-shirt-and-shorts-bikers/23188.html
obriens65 Posted August 7, 2013 Posted August 7, 2013 Heres topical http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/police-warning-to-t-shirt-and-shorts-bikers/23188.html I bet that stings
rjh357 Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 There are 2 sorts of riders those that have come off and those that are waiting to come of I am one of the former. Anyone that read my intro post knows I had a Honda C50 at 16, what they don’t know about was my very first bike a Piagio erm thingy not a scooter a 50cc auto clutch thingy. Mom and dad didn’t want me to have a bike but got agreement so long as I promised to wear jacket thick jeans boots gloves at all times whatever the weather, They paid for the kit I got the bike. No training no tests full of bravado and confidence thinking I was jack the lad but up till then had just ridden a pushbike. Second day out on a Sunday, was starting my first job the next Monday so decided on a trial run see how long it took me. My fault turned right at traffic lights hit a Marina head on went over the roof rolled along the floor. My bike a write off (had the indignity of needing to use Bus for weeks), Belstaff torn to shreds, (always been a Belstaff guy not leathers) full face helmet cracked, gloves and boots scraped and gouged, jeans torn to ribbons. Me had some cuts on right wrist were metal strap watch got torn off, a nasty scrape down to bone on right shin were it caught the car drip rail on way over the roof, a head ach from mom and dad and wounded pride, o yes and a well deserved caution from plod. Apart from that walked away (well ambulance away no one that watched it could believe I could stand and insisted on ambulance) i even started at work the next day. I shudder when I see lads on scooters with just shorts and a lid, I always go and talk to them and get the silly old fool look. I try to point out girls don’t like guys with gravel rash, makes little difference cant put a wise head on young shoulders. I don’t care I have done my bit and tried so if anything happens I at least told them the facts of life. If I had not got good protective kit I would have been a far worse mess after the accident, because of a promise to mom and dad I am here in good shape to talk about it. At the very least jacket Kevlar jeans gloves and boots and of course a good lid no matter how warm it is, that’s the least I wear when riding.
jimmy Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 rjh I had a similar experience, although spookily, I was on the model of bike you now run, xs250cw. 17yrs old, one month on the road and jumped a stop sign. A quiet little village (at the time) and early on a saturday morning so I was really unlucky that someone (a mk111 escort) was coming the other way. A broken arm, bruised kidneys, headache from parents and 3 endorsments, remember them, on my licence....oh and a bike that I still owed just under 3 years finance on, gave me a good lesson in my roadcraft for the future.
dt502001 Posted August 11, 2013 Posted August 11, 2013 So the last few weekend been riding the Great lakes from beach to beach in South western Ontario and it's offical the closer you get to the beach the less pepole are wearing not just at the beach but most of the riders as well,even got asked by a waitress "aren't you hot in all that " .To wich I responded " yes a little a cold beer quickly please" Iv's seen every type of bike from full touring, sport and cruiser and for the most part Full face lids T's shorts and runners for the sport bikes seem to be a common,vests and jeans for the cruisers with a brain cap,the full touring everthing from full gear to shorts no common there,but what I found interesting was almost all sport touring riders wre in full gear,as well as the adventure touring bikers,I chalk this up to the fact that most sport touring and adventure guys owned full sport bikes at 1 time and have probable been off before so they know . What is realy scary is that scooter are making a real come back here15 yrs ago you would see 1 every now and then ,now lots of entry level riders are buying them,esp women, as the insurance cost is so much cheaper,but none seem to wear anything more than a open face lid. It's law here that you must wear a hemet thats it,I don't understand why people choose to protect there brain but not there face and the rest of there body.Over the years i have been off several time's and had a bit of road rash and had a ford pinto turn in front of me and I fliped over the car some how managed to cut my leg from knee to toes but not rip through the pants not sure how that happened. I have picked up many a riders bike after they crashed and covered in road rash and lots of this ends up in the news so most everyone is aware of what happens to skin when it meets road,Just puzzels me as to why people think oh I'll be fine I'm only rideing in the city or I'm not crazy like thoes nut's doing wheelies,and I'm a good rider so i'll be ok. I haven't been off on the road in over 20 years but I never venture out without full gear on,I bought the stuff and it's not going to do me any good hanging in the closet if I do come off now is it? 1
Fazerstun Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Just had my attention drawn to this thread. Interesting to read about my own accident (full of misinformation btw) and the judgements passed by Ttaskmaster. Do I know you? I don't recall having met you, but you do seem to know an awful lot about me..... or think you do.
Fazerstun Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Gotta know all the facts afore ya rides yer bike. That image just might stop some stupid twat from misbehaving and save a life or few... Yes, you must certainly know all the facts. For one, I didn't come off the bike and slide down the road. The deglovement happened when the car (not van) , coming from the right - not head on, hit and squashed my leg between it's bumper and my bike engine. I was still upright when the accident was over. My jeans did not ride up my leg while I didn't slide down the road - no matter what dramatic embellishment you add, the deglovement was a crush injury and would have happened were I wearing leathers or not (straight from the consultant's mouth). As for the experience with bikes, also wrong - but if it helps to make your story better, carry on.
AndyBuk Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Yes, you must certainly know all the facts. For one, I didn't come off the bike and slide down the road. The deglovement happened when the car (not van) , coming from the right - not head on, hit and squashed my leg between it's bumper and my bike engine. I was still upright when the accident was over. My jeans did not ride up my leg while I didn't slide down the road - no matter what dramatic embellishment you add, the deglovement was a crush injury and would have happened were I wearing leathers or not (straight from the consultant's mouth). As for the experience with bikes, also wrong - but if it helps to make your story better, carry on. Hello and welcome to the forum... Hope you feel better now.
Fazerstun Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Cheers Andy. It took a while, but after 5 years I finally got shot of the crutches and bought another bike 2
Ttaskmaster Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 Just had my attention drawn to this thread. Interesting to read about my own accident (full of misinformation btw) and the judgements passed by Ttaskmaster. Do I know you? I don't recall having met you, but you do seem to know an awful lot about me..... or think you do. We probably met at one stage, I expect. I used to go on UKBF occasionally, a few years ago and I was friends with some of the blokes on there. You ever go up to the 3Bs or Fox's meets? What do you mean by 'judgements', though? IIRC, you yourself later said something in a thread about knowing the risks of riding in jeans and accepting that risk? Yes, you must certainly know all the facts. For one, I didn't come off the bike and slide down the road. The deglovement happened when the car (not van) , coming from the right - not head on, hit and squashed my leg between it's bumper and my bike engine. I was still upright when the accident was over. My jeans did not ride up my leg while I didn't slide down the road - no matter what dramatic embellishment you add, the deglovement was a crush injury and would have happened were I wearing leathers or not (straight from the consultant's mouth). As for the experience with bikes, also wrong - but if it helps to make your story better, carry on. My apologies, though this was quite a few years ago and I obviously haven't remembered the *exact* details (I'd heard it was a 4x4, not a van). I remember DP or maybe Ace telling us about it at the time, so most of what came through was third hand anyway. Glad to hear you're back on 2 wheels. But the salient point from all that - It was the first time I'd heard about degloving and that part certainly stuck in my head. I never rode in anything but full leathers after that.
Fazerstun Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 I think you might be Elephantitis, but no matter. FTR full leathers will NOT stop a deglovement. I do still occasionally ride in jeans (usually armoured but sometimes not) You pays your money, you makes your choice. It may be wise, next time you are discussing people's accidents, not to actually name them. I object to being used as an example in a safety gear nazi thread when you didn't have your facts straight to start with.
Ttaskmaster Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 My apologies for naming you. It was not intended to make a bad example of your character. Merely to highlight both the dangers of clothing choice and the acceptance of that risk (the latter of which I actually applaud). Much of the bad sentiment is directed toward those who ride in nothing but shorts and sandals, who DO then complain when they get skinned up. FWIW, the deglovements I've since encountered did involve clothing riding up, which is probably why I thought yours was as well.
Fazerstun Posted November 18, 2014 Posted November 18, 2014 I have no idea what clothing riding up has to do with it. Deglovement is generally caused by pressure. A big, feck off car forcing your bones out of your skin will have that effect, regardless of what you are wearing.
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