As always nicely put Iron butt That reminds me of when I was a newby to bike's. I went to visit my sister in Llandudno, she lived up to the Great Orm back then, anyway I was heading up said Orm which is very steep, its the road that runs up alongside the Tram line at the bottom and the car in front of me stopped midway up & could I f#ck get going again, I just couldn't hold it on the biting point without stalling or rolling back, after trying a dozen time's and failing I decided to roll the bike back against the kerb at an angle so it was still pointing up hill. thankfully that worked otherwise I would have had to go back down and have another run at it.