G-man

For ChrisW: Actually, the reverse. The use of wd-40 on motorcycle chains had been debated long before I posted it here, but only recently did the manufacturer come out officially with their position after they got petitioned by a gaggle of motorcyclists. I could find you a link about all that if you like. Well, I can't fault your cleaning routine, though I myself do a quick tidy-up of the chain more often than once a week. I'll have to disagree with you about lube bypassing your rubber rings on a warm chain. That's just unlikely unless your chain is so stretched that the rings no longer seal the pins, which at this point means that you really should replace your chain...coz riding on it will for sure wear out your sprockets, and then you'll be having to replace everthing as a set. Which means you'll be coming here and saying, "See Gene, I told you both need to be replaced together!" What if I change the WD-40 every other day, haha? I'm only repeating myself here, but I'm saying that chains need more maintanance that are commonly given them, either with your method or mine. You wanna goop it up every few rides? Cool, I'm ok with that. If your sprockets are worn, change them. I never said otherwise. Well, I'm certainly interested in opinions. In stupid accusations and condescending and dismissive comments though (I'm a troll, I'm stupid, I'm here to get a rise out of folks, blah blah fuckin blah), not so much. I don't take kindly to being disrespected, and so, am left to return the favor. But yes, I'm thoroughly committed to WD-40 with my present chain and sprockets, because my theory is that it's frequent application to the chain is adequate for both cleaning and lubrication. So far, the results are promising. Do you know anything about the scientific method? http://gigalock.com/sfiab/docs/20071210_ScientificMethod.png

Yes, Ma'am! With that sig pic, I wouldn't want your wrath, haha.

Oh man, excellent, thank you much!

Probably a couple clear coats after the paint job would keep you good. You could get that in a spray can as well.

Hey Harv, Drewpy or anybody, which model is that, exactly? I've got the same bike, but am having a fun time getting parts for it on some websites coz they're asking if it's for an XS360-D or XS360-2D. Same story at the local Yamaha dealership. I'm like, it's an XS360. Blank stare in return. Is there even a difference between them for most anything like wheel bearings and such? I guess the serial number is no help coz it's a pre-80's bike.

Well, translated into your british english, it means to stop being a wanker, admit that you were one, and sin no more. Hey Cy, those steel sprockets last a long time, I agree. Most of my buddies who ride are on older bikes, I don't think any of them had to swap out the sprocks, yet. Probably, the fact that there's less drag on sprockets from a standard chain has something to do with it. Hey, a new argument!!! Sealed chains extend chain life, but wear down sprockets faster. Who wants to fight? I double dog dare ya.

Haha, holy backpedaling, batman! Ok then, I guess that means that I'm NOT wrong, eh? Is that what you're saying after all them posts? Man up, dude.

Awe man, my preferred product ain't listed: your nancyboy tears.

You know what pal, at this point, I'm on this thread merely to kick your ass with a superior argument, just for fun. So, here goes...take it with a stiff upper lip, ole chap: A. Show me a "superbike rider and road racer" who lubes his chain, and I'll show you one who cleans his final drive a hell of alot more than you! Like, a buttload more. And, do you know why, oh gatekeeper of message board threads? Coz a lubricant which picks up dirt becomes an ABRASIVE, einstein. B. Regarding your hysterical tear-filled cries, "aaaaaaarrrgghhhh, WD-40 will kill your bike and impregnate your girlfriend!" From WD-40's very own website, official use for their product: Cleans motorcycle chains Lubricates motorcycle chains http://www.wd40.com/uses-tips/ But hey, maybe you should inform them that you're a bigger authority on the subject. C. This is one of the most viewed threads on this forum, so I think it's safe to say that people are indeed interested in what I have to say. Which I guess, yes, makes me clever. D. Your avatar is fitting, coz some of youz here seem to subscribe to the concept, lolz.

Hey B-Bird. Well, I don't know what has some of these dudes' panties in a bind with the juvenile hissy fits and all, but I will tell you this, virtually ALL the arguments I've read online and heard in person against using wd-40 to clean and even lube the chain (provided you do it alot, like every few rides or so...boohoo, 5 minutes of work, I know, it's soooo hard \sacrasm mode off) were entirely anecdotal. None of those fools actually tried it, just merely repeat the same ol' bullshit they heard from some other dude. Same story with swapping sprockets with chains no matter the condition of the current sprockets. It works, it keeps your chain clean, the minimal amount that penetrates the sides of the o-rings keeps them slippery against the rollers and side plates, everything's fine, the world keeps spinning, the grass keeps growing, those that use it report a long life of both chain and sprocket, yadda yadda. And btw, if your chain regularly gets grimy from the road, you'd have to be retarded to smother it in grease (or wax, whatever) only to encourage yet more chain crustiness in road crapolla which for sure WILL add to the wear on your chain and sprocks. Go back and read the back and forth, there's little these guys are actually effectively refuting me about.

lolz, you're funny. I bet as a kid, you took your ball and went home alot, haha. Anyways, methinks these bike maintenance formulas of always swapping sprockets with chains and smothering the chains in goop no matter the circumstances are geared for the lowest common denominator. It's dummy-proof, no thinking required.

http://www.canyonchasers.net/shop/generic/chain-rplc.php

Here's an actual case study of effects of WD-40 on o-rings for the fear mongers who scream, "aaaaarghhh, WD-40 will break down your o-rings, laddy!!!":

An example of a logical argument, from a Ducati website:

Wow, harsh toke, I'm stupid and/or a troll coz I disagree with you? Oh ok, that's brilliant thinking in itself. By same logic, that would make you a stupid troll coz you disagree with me, lolz. That's the thing about conversations see, I don't have to necessarily play yes-man to you just because I welcome and encourage other points of view to be presented, my good man. But hey, if you make a better attempt at a logical argument, who knows, it may happen.

That's....not logical.

Huh? What's that? I don't think I heard you right.

Your sprocket is a solid chunk of metal. Your chain is composed of linked components. It's elemental my dear Dr. Watson, your chain and sprockets will not match up perfectly soon after the first ride because of their variations in tensile strength. When you have to take up the slack in your chain, that's merely when this variation become evident to the naked eye, which is usually far beyond 0.05mm, 0.1mm, whatever.

Well, I'm exaggerating a little, yes. My point is, if the slightest variation between chain and sprocket was so disastrous, we wouldn't be readjusting chain slack, but rather replacing the whole shebang at the first sign of it.

Yes, everything fits perfectly when you bolt on your shiny new sprockets and strap on that brand spanking new chain. And then, you take your first ride. Ok, maybe the second or third ride. It's then when you get back home, you have to prop up your bike, loosen your rear wheel, and back it up a nudge to take up the slack of the now stretched (or worn, however you wanna define it) chain. That's when things start to not fit perfectly. And worse, the stretching continues, requiring yet more adjustment. By your logic, this imperfect mating between sprocket and chain roller is entirely unacceptable, requiring not chain adjustment, but rather immediate replacement of both chain and sprockets. So, looks like you pay up first, haha.

Hey, that looks sharp! Could use a more square tank, though. And lower bars. Maybe a butt-stop seat. Bullet fairing?

Nazis! Nice bike, dude. Anyone care to 'xplain why they made the 360 and the 400, though? I mean, damn, 40cc difference...that's like what, an extra 1-legged horse?

What!!?, What are ya, crazy? Next thing, you'll be telling us that you kick dogs, trip blind people or something. You're nuts, nuts I tell ya! Oh wait, my sprockets were also still good when I swapped the chain. Never mind then, I guess you're ok.

Ok, so the common point is that if your sprockets are worn, change them. I'm glad we all agree. *smug grin*

Doh!