Sturdee.....If you want loud, I have the VH short shots on mine, took about 20 mins to install the slip on's. They have a nice rumble at idle, and will definitely get attention when you roll the throttle. I ride with a mix of bikes Harleys, Victory's, even a Big Dog in the bunch, and I hang with all of them when it comes to sound. FWIW...Definitely makes our bikes sound like the big boys!