Pete Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Honda XLV650 Transalp v Suzuki DL650 V-Strom v Yamaha XT660R As many of you know, within the last year I've owned each of these bikes...so here's an owner's perspective on how they compare! There's no performance figures like a mag would do...cos there's no point. None of them are designed as performance bikes, and the Strom is considerably quicker than the other two anyway. Firstly....the Transalp! As you all know, this is pretty much an 80's tech bike...with just a few enhancements over the years. In spite of being built in Spain, the build quality is still better than the other bikes. It has a solid feel to it and is reasonably comfortable and smooth. For a bike that gets panned as being boring, it's a very enjoyable riding experience. Handling is fairly good once you ditch the stock Trailwings, and the brakes do their job. The TA has a fairly flat power curve with no great surprises, but you will have to work harder with a pillion. Fuel consumption is the worst of the 3, averaging just over 50mpg. It has a degree of offroad ability, but that's down to the rider more than anything else. It starts first time everytime, and will do whatever you want of it. Utterly reliable, robust...basically you could trust your life to it. Unfortunately, like a lot of Hondas, it does lack a bit of zest and character....basically it's a bike that's difficult to get too emotional about. You can't fault any part of it (except the stock tyres).....and it does exactly what it says on the tin! But it's a bit like a dowdy wife who has no spark....it does everything you want, but there's something missing! I sold the Transalp after I had a test run on the V-Strom.... ...and I was blown away by it! What Suzuki have very cleverly done is to look at the dated Transalp, and the expanding Dualsport market, and set out to build a Transalp beater. And in most respects they've succeeded by a very wide margin. It's quicker (by a lot), it's smoother, it handles better, it stops better, it's more comfortable, it returns over 55mpg easily, it's fun....and you want to ride it! All the time! The motor is it's strong point....it's an absolute gem! Offroad ability? In my opinion it's a streetbike just dressed up as a dualsport. I know guys have run them through swamps and rivers...but rather them than me! But the Strom has a serious flaw in it.....the design of the fairing and screen. Up to 65 mph on rural country roads, the bike is a dream. Get it out on the open major roads and it becomes a nightmare. The buffeting and turbulence is not just a distraction, it starts to become a safety issue. Of all the bikes I've ever owned (52 of them) I have never experienced double vision like I did on the Strom. And the pillion doesn't escape it either....both your heads feel like they're being smacked by a wet towel until you drop your speed. I tried different screen positions, I tried spacers to change the angle, I even put a screen that was huge on it. That did help, but I can't ride looking through a screen, and the wife ended up getting the headbanging for both of us. In the end, I'd adjusted the screen so many times that the plastic lugs on the dash had snapped and it was just about hanging in place. Not good! You could spend the rest of your life trying to sort it...but there's no quick fix. What works for one person doesn't work for another....so in the end I just gave up. I loved the bike and it's unbelievable that Suzuki could get so much of it absolutely right...then completely screw it up with the fairing and screen. So....that brings me to the final bike in the comparison...the Yamaha XT660R. This is the latest generation in the long running XT series....but radically different to it's predecessors! It's now got fuel injection and liquid cooling, and despite being considerably quicker than previous versions, it's still maintained the traditional "oldschool" XT feeling. The pickup is now very sharp and it wants to wheelie pretty much at will. It's a lot lighter than the other two and despite only having a single disc up front, it still stops pretty well. Where this bike really wastes the other two is the handling. Yamaha haven't gone the cheapo Trailwing route of the others, it's got Michelin Siracs as standard. The whole setup is so precise that on rural bumpy backroads it will take a very capable rider on any other type of bike to just be able to keep the XT in sight. In this environment it's a revelation....and you'll have a lot of fun. Offroad capability? I've always maintained that it's a Motard dressed like a DualSport, and I still believe that. But with a decent bashplate you'll get a lot further than the Strom will, plus it's considerably lighter than both the Strom and the TA so there is more potential there. Fuel ecomomy is around 60mpg, and for this style of bike it's very comfortable...especially compared to the old XT's. But it's a long way behind the Strom in this respect. So....who's the winner? What's the best buy? Well...if we were comparing 600cc sportsbikes it would be a lot easier as they're all designed to do the same thing...and that's to go fast. But these bikes are not. Even though they're competing in the same market sector, they're all radically different. And each of them can do different things better than the others. The best way to summarise them is to say.... If I was looking for a bike that's reliable, sturdy, and bulletproof, for a trip across Europe....I'd choose the Transalp. If I wanted the most bang for the buck and the most performance....I'd choose the V-Strom. And if I wanted a fun bike with amazing handling to put a grin on my face...then it would be the XT660. So YOU have to decide which one fits the bill for your type of riding! They're all great bikes and they all have their strong points and drawbacks....just choose the one that suits YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcooled Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 what's the performance of the ta like compared to the xt pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 4, 2005 Author Share Posted September 4, 2005 what's the performance of the ta like compared to the xt pete? ← Very similar Alan, but the XT is more grunty on initial acceleration, and faster out of corners. Top speed and maintaining a speed, then I'd say the TA has a slight edge. Where the XT does score big time over the others is that the handling and manoevrability is phenomenal. The TA and Strom are both very good on handling, but the XT really is something else. Blag a ride on one and you'll see what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator YamaHead Posted September 5, 2005 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2005 Where the XT does score big time over the others is that the handling and manoevrability is phenomenal. ← Mine may be 23 yrs. old ....but it still goes around corners quite well I can only imagine how well the new XT handles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tomg Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 cool good comparison got all the facts you wnt to know rather than bamboozeling you with facts you couldn't give a rats ass about! you should write for a mag pete!! i would choose the xt it looks and from what you have said a nicer bike. what you gonna get next pete!!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcooled Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 he does write in a mag!! razzle i think it's called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 7, 2005 Author Share Posted September 7, 2005 cool good comparison got all the facts you wnt to know rather than bamboozeling you with facts you couldn't give a rats ass about! you should write for a mag pete!! i would choose the xt it looks and from what you have said a nicer bike. what you gonna get next pete!!!?? ← Thanks Tom....I can see me keeping this XT for a while as it's ideal for where I'm moving to.....Spain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Beezkneez Posted September 8, 2005 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2005 moving to Spain....bloody hell Pete, can i come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 moving to Spain....bloody hell Pete, can i come ← You may as well Baz....lots of Brits are now getting out of this place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Beezkneez Posted September 8, 2005 Moderator Share Posted September 8, 2005 You may as well Baz....lots of Brits are now getting out of this place! ← yep the UK is a haven to the immigrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcooled Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 i'm trying to get a work placement in the us of a for a couple of months next summer! if all goes to plan you never know!! it'll be a good experience even if it's only for a couple of months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 8, 2005 Author Share Posted September 8, 2005 i'm trying to get a work placement in the us of a for a couple of months next summer! There's a shortage of "Stupid Boys" there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcooled Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 yes i hang my head in shame on the plus side there may be a few young rednecks running around 9 months later getting ready to say their first words 'aye nae bother big man' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tomg Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 he does write in a mag!! razzle i think it's called ← ahh well don't i feel silly now!!! good job he does write for one to! moving to spain wicked!! im sure the xt will be a great bike to use out there, good luck when you get out there and with all the moving etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldinr Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 ahh well don't i feel silly now!!! good job he does write for one to! moving to spain wicked!! im sure the xt will be a great bike to use out there, good luck when you get out there and with all the moving etc ← Tom. He doesn't really write for Razzle ( or at least I hope he doesn't and if he does can he get me a job there). L.C. was pulling ya plonker. Have a look at the top shelf next time your in the newsagent. Rob... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcooled Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 thank you goldinr young half pint has alot to learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator YamaHead Posted September 10, 2005 Moderator Share Posted September 10, 2005 i'm trying to get a work placement in the us of a for a couple of months next summer! if all goes to plan you never know!! it'll be a good experience even if it's only for a couple of months ← Way Cool Alan! .......It'd be really cool if you could make it out to the West Coast....then maybe we could finally get together for a round of pints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidcooled Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 that would be the ideal area for me scott. i love the country from where you're from, the pics always look my kinda place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Divvy_Rider Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Hiya peeps, Was just catching up with the forum and saw this post, I am atm looking to get a new bike, last week i had a test ride on the SV650 and a Fazer600 (the new model which is a pile of s**t) so that kinda left me with the SV which i thought was excellent i loved everything about it apart from the riding position (clip on bars mostly) I know there is the naked version but i don't really like the look of it, so the only other one is the V-strom 650, was it the 650 or the 1000cc that you had? in some reviews i have read they say the buffeting had been sorted out on the 650, but if you had one and still had trouble theres no point me getting a test ride. only other thing to decide is, get the nice looking / wrist aching SV650, or the safe, soothing dual sports (that i would never need to take anywhere near off road) v-strom ) Thanks Mark. P.S I Hope everyone is well and keeping it upright now winter is here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 15, 2005 Author Share Posted December 15, 2005 Hiya peeps, Was just catching up with the forum and saw this post, I am atm looking to get a new bike, last week i had a test ride on the SV650 and a Fazer600 (the new model which is a pile of s**t) so that kinda left me with the SV which i thought was excellent i loved everything about it apart from the riding position (clip on bars mostly) I know there is the naked version but i don't really like the look of it, so the only other one is the V-strom 650, was it the 650 or the 1000cc that you had? in some reviews i have read they say the buffeting had been sorted out on the 650, but if you had one and still had trouble theres no point me getting a test ride. only other thing to decide is, get the nice looking / wrist aching SV650, or the safe, soothing dual sports (that i would never need to take anywhere near off road) v-strom ) Thanks Mark. P.S I Hope everyone is well and keeping it upright now winter is here! I had a 650 and it's brilliant! Apart from the buffeting which made anything over 70 a nightmare....for me! It could be different for you because a lot depends on your height and posture, but it's unlikely you won't be affected in some way, which ruins the bike. And nothing has been sorted with the screen re new models....they've all got the same one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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