Joeleol Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 Howdy, So today I've started to think about making my custom loom up, only to discover that my coils only have one wire going into them.... Normally there is two. What does this mean? Are they completely unusable or is there a way around this?
Moderator drewpy Posted September 17, 2010 Moderator Posted September 17, 2010 Howdy, So today I've started to think about making my custom loom up, only to discover that my coils only have one wire going into them.... Normally there is two. What does this mean? Are they completely unusable or is there a way around this? should be 2 wires, pikkies please?
rXsOwNeR Posted September 17, 2010 Posted September 17, 2010 Normally if theres only one wire going into somthing it means it needs a negetive ground to the frame. That is only a guess as i dont know the bike. So i`m prob worng.lol
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 It was ones of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-XS400-XS-400-1978-1985-IGNITION-COIL-210-/180412282181?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a0168f545
rXsOwNeR Posted September 18, 2010 Posted September 18, 2010 It was ones of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-XS400-XS-400-1978-1985-IGNITION-COIL-210-/180412282181?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a0168f545 yeah that will be grounded to the bike . So if your bike has the black cable from the battery connected directly to the frame you should be ok . If not you will need to run a negetive to the chassi part of the coil . IMPORTANT EDIT : IF YOU TAKE THE SECOND OPTION I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU SHIELD THE COIL FROM THE FRAME WITH RUBBER OR THE LIKE OR YOUWILL INADVERTENTLY ADD A NEGETIVE GROUND TO THE BIKE REMEMBER TO DO BOTH BOLT HEADS ALSO FOR THE SAME REASON. YOU DONT WANT ANY PART OF THE COIL TOUCHING THE BIKE INCLUDING BOLT TO COIL TO BIKE ....IF YOU GET ME My rxs has a neg ground so EVERYTHING only has one wire ...lights , coils ,everything . This can lead to ground failure and it can be a pain to find if somthing corodes etc . so if you are designing a newsystem for it it may be beneficial to you to put in a negetive rail . sorry fgor all the edits ...haha ... : if you redesign a bike from neg ground to a "railed negetive" you will need to isolate everything from the bike . I dont even know if that is possible so definatley ask somone with more knowledge than me !!
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 A coils ground is the spark plug though isnt it? My old coils has two wires in, one for the condensor and one for the points.
rXsOwNeR Posted September 18, 2010 Posted September 18, 2010 A coils ground is the spark plug though isnt it? My old coils has two wires in, one for the condensor and one for the points. yeah you`re probably right . See i told you i would be completely wrong ..lol . looking at the coil though . Its a metal chassi and if its a neg ground it will be grounded by the frame . Thats where my assumption came from . it might be an idea to get the coils with 2 wires to make sure you`re ok
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 It's ok, at least your offering advice! I just cant think of a logical way around using a coil with only one hook-up without using more relays (which I certainly wont be)
rXsOwNeR Posted September 18, 2010 Posted September 18, 2010 It's ok, at least your offering advice! I just cant think of a logical way around using a coil with only one hook-up without using more relays (which I certainly wont be) i would try and source some better coils in that case .
Moderator drewpy Posted September 18, 2010 Moderator Posted September 18, 2010 It was ones of these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-XS400-XS-400-1978-1985-IGNITION-COIL-210-/180412282181?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2a0168f545 when I was buying new coils I came across those. Figured that there was no satisfactory way to use them as you need a + supply for the coil and an interupted earth for the points. the only way to use them would be to isolate the coil form the frame and run a negative to the points, not the best. check the ohms rating as they could also be for electronic ignition systems!
rXsOwNeR Posted September 18, 2010 Posted September 18, 2010 when I was buying new coils I came across those. Figured that there was no satisfactory way to use them as you need a + supply for the coil and an interupted earth for the points. the only way to use them would be to isolate the coil form the frame and run a negative to the points, not the best. check the ohms rating as they could also be for electronic ignition systems! Thats kinda what i thought . Mine is electronic which would suggest thats why mine has only one wire also . (mine is poxy 6v too ....yamaha definatley mucked that one up !!)
Moderator Cynic Posted September 18, 2010 Moderator Posted September 18, 2010 Thats kinda what i thought . Mine is electronic which would suggest thats why mine has only one wire also . (mine is poxy 6v too ....yamaha definatley mucked that one up !!) They are pretty much the same as the DT coil, the points should interupt the live feed to the coil by discharging it to earth. Or on a cdi switching it off electronically. Black wire for primary coil earthing to the frame and big wire the secondary high tension earth'd via the spark plug. I take it you need two of them then?
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 Thanks for your inputs everybody, I guess I need to find some new SUITABLE coils.... Does anyone know which ones I could use? Without going to wemoto and spending £30 per coil. Thanks, Joel
Moderator drewpy Posted September 18, 2010 Moderator Posted September 18, 2010 on the XS there is a continuous live feed via the ignition switch. the contacts earth the coil to charge up the primary, when the earth breaks, the secondary coil discharges that energy to ground (the spark plug) this is in very simplistic terms. with one wire, all i can think is the live is triggered!
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 on the XS there is a continuous live feed via the ignition switch. the contacts earth the coil to charge up the primary, when the earth breaks, the secondary coil discharges that energy to ground (the spark plug) this is in very simplistic terms. with one wire, all i can think is the live is triggered! This sound like what I was thinking, by putting a separate relay in that is deactivated by the points (way to much hassle)
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 Ok problem solved! I bought some different coils! I guess I will have to sell these other ones!
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 On the xs650 coils, from the coils, where do the red and brown wires go?
Moderator Cynic Posted September 18, 2010 Moderator Posted September 18, 2010 This sound like what I was thinking, by putting a separate relay in that is deactivated by the points (way to much hassle) No way it would be fast enough or able to last more than a few minutes tops before the relay failed.
Moderator drewpy Posted September 18, 2010 Moderator Posted September 18, 2010 On the xs650 coils, from the coils, where do the red and brown wires go? as it happens i have an xs650 wiring diagram
Joeleol Posted September 18, 2010 Author Posted September 18, 2010 Aha, now that looks more like what I'm working with! I will copy this exactly! Although there is no condenser any more =( Shall I just leave it out?
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