Why do people buy new 125's

[Cynic]

I don't understand the logic, spend a couple of grand on a new bike then before the clock has made 3 figures look for ways to make it faster.

I don't see why people dont seek out tidy TZR's, Mito's even RG's. A flick through CMM and such shows up enough of em usually even restored they are well under a grand, and you can REALLY make them shift with nothing more than a pipe and some jetting.

The late 80's bikes are even free of all the stupid E marked exhausts rubbish and restrictive noise requirements. And you can get the old DT's and TZR's up to 230cc thats like 40 odd hp.

Am i just getting old.........

[Airhead]

Its about perceived street cred i reckon, young people like to have the latest new modern bikes and old(er) people like nothing more that old ones...well some of them anyway. Its very true though that some of the older 125's were flying machines (NSR's, Mito's, Aprillia's and the like) ...having said that, they too had to be de-restricted. Never in a month of sundays will you get a modern four stroke anywhere near the performance of these bikes. The hardest bit is finding one worth buying after its been thrashed by a dozen previous yoof's

[CORRIEBOY]

Its about perceived street cred i reckon, young people like to have the latest new modern bikes and old(er) people like nothing more that old ones...well some of them anyway. Its very true though that some of the older 125's were flying machines (NSR's, Mito's, Aprillia's and the like) ...having said that, they too had to be de-restricted. Never in a month of sundays will you get a modern four stroke anywhere near the performance of these bikes. The hardest bit is finding one worth buying after its been thrashed by a dozen previous yoof's

Have to agree with that my daughter bought an Aprilia rs 50 first and it was a great wee bike and over 60mph, if i was nipping to shops i always took her bike as it really was super fun then she bought an NSR125 mint condition de restricted (over the ton no prob) with only 3k miles on clock she loves it and drives it all year round and has had lots of offers to buy it from her

[CORRIEBOY]

Have to agree with that my daughter bought an Aprilia rs 50 first and it was a great wee bike and over 60mph, if i was nipping to shops i always took her bike as it really was super fun then she bought an NSR125 mint condition de restricted (over the ton no prob) with only 3k miles on clock she loves it and drives it all year round and has had lots of offers to buy it from her

image never loaded so heres my daughters bikes

[Cynic]

Cor that takes me back, thats in proper good nick for its age.

[Guest MaD.VeZ]

Good question, I bought a new DT125RE back in 2004 at the age of 23.

I tend to agree with oldgitonabike about the street cred etc with the younger people at least.

When I passed the cbt in 2004 then bought a 97 DT125R for my first road bike, I inquired about insurance and the only company that would give me a quote wanted no less then £5000 tpft for a bike that cost me just shy of £500. I asked as to why it was so high and was told basically it was my age and the desirability of the bike to thieves. So i was about to give up on the idea of a road bike completely, when i saw an add in the mcn offering the 1st years insurance free with a new bike.

I did the math and it worked out cheaper to buy a new DT (incl 1 years insurance and interest over 3 years) than to insure the 98 DT for 1 year.

As for trying to make them go faster, I think most people get bored and want a change after while or feel like they aint getting the most out of their bike. It doesn't matter if the bike is new or old people will still try to make them faster IMO.

Vez.

[Cynic]

Good question, I bought a new DT125RE back in 2004 at the age of 23.

I tend to agree with oldgitonabike about the street cred etc with the younger people at least. 

When I passed the cbt in 2004 then bought a 98 DT125R for my first road bike, I inquired about insurance and the only company that would give me a quote wanted no less then £5000 tpft for a bike that cost me just shy of £500. I asked as to why it was so high and was told basically it was my age and the desirability of the bike to thieves. So i was about to give up on the idea of a road bike completely, when i saw an add in the mcn offering the 1st years insurance free with a new bike. 

I did the math and it worked out cheaper to buy a new DT (incl 1 years insurance and interest over 3 years) than to insure the 98 DT for 1 year.

As for trying to make them go faster, I think most people get bored and want a change after while or feel like they aint getting the most out of their bike. It doesn't matter if the bike is new or old people will still try to make them faster IMO.

Vez. 

Ouch 5 grand. It still doesent figure though. There must be companies that will cover riders, what happens at the second year?

At least you got yourself a bike you can make proper quick should you choose to.

[Guest MaD.VeZ]

Ouch 5 grand. It still doesent figure though. There must be companies that will cover riders, what happens at the second year?

At least you got yourself a bike you can make proper quick should you choose to.

I had phoned maybe 5 insurance companies and they all said they wouldn't insure me(no convictions etc), all i could put it down to was my age and the area i lived in at the time. It was rough and it seemed every weekend there was a scooter, bike or car burnt out on the field at the back of my house.

As for the second year, well there wasn't one as i had a bad crash after 6 weeks(746miles), although i did get a quote of £800 tpft and it seemed quite reasonable at the time. But compared to today and the £320 fully comp i was just quoted for 2 bikes(1st year of cbt again) it seems a little over the top.

[pepperami]

in a similar vien .... even if your not to fussed about going a light-speed, older 125`s seem to make more sense to me.

some ( Chinese ) of the 4-strokes are no faster than an old XL, CG, ect and can cost twice/three times the price.

i have just struck a deal on a cheap-as-chips CG125, £150 . that i know is mechanicly sound.

i KNOW i can get spares for it and the insurance is going to be peanuts

why would i look at a new/modern 125??

mind you when a company start making after-market tune up bits for some of these Chinese bikes i might take a look if one comes along cheap enough...but i would rather have a Yam RSX100!!!

[Guest MaD.VeZ]

in a similar vien .... even if your not to fussed about going a light-speed, older 125`s seem to make more sense to me.

some ( Chinese ) of the 4-strokes are no faster than an old XL, CG, ect and can cost twice/three times the price.

i have just struck a deal on a cheap-as-chips CG125,   £150 . that i know is mechanicly sound.

i KNOW i can get spares for it and the insurance is going to be peanuts

why would i look at a new/modern 125??

mind you when a company start making after-market tune up bits for some of these Chinese bikes i might take a look if one comes along cheap enough...but i would rather have a Yam RSX100!!!

Some one has to buy the new 125's, otherwise there will be no more bargains for the older peeps  

[pepperami]

Did`nt think of it like that??? but hey your right!!!

[Cynic]

Some one has to buy the new 125's, otherwise there will be no more bargains for the older peeps  

Don't be so sure, i know my mates call me cynic but! Do you really think the finite design limits of the latest generation of m/c's will allow them to exist as they get older. Peugeuot cars shut themselves down if the car decides its emmisions are out too far.

Could there be time perameters built in to the systems of bikes so they start to have niggly faults when they are say 6-7 years old. Also how the hell to you keep electrics running that run on digital networks like the latest stuff is using. Y'know one live and earth and a digital infomation line (i know its more than that).

The modern engines run on ignition and fuel limits that you simply have to have a computer to work out, the eurotwats have also foisted construction and use limits that mean the engine has to always be in tip top nick. No i don't think we will be having old YZR's as classic transport in 2030.

Even if 2 stroke is special order and as socially acceptable as animal porn i hope to be running my wonderfully old tech 2 strokes till they nail the lid down.

[Guest MaD.VeZ]

Don't be so sure, i know my mates call me cynic but! Do you really think the finite design limits of the latest generation of m/c's will allow them to exist as they get older. Peugeuot cars shut themselves down if the car decides its emmisions are out too far.

Could there be time perameters built in to the systems of bikes so they start to have niggly faults when they are say 6-7 years old. Also how the hell to you keep electrics running that run on digital networks like the latest stuff is using. Y'know one live and earth and a digital infomation line (i know its more than that).

The modern engines run on ignition and fuel limits that you simply have to have a computer to work out, the eurotwats have also foisted construction and use limits that mean the engine has to always be in tip top nick. No i don't think we will be having old YZR's as classic transport in 2030.

Even if 2 stroke is special order and as socially acceptable as animal porn i hope to be running my wonderfully old tech 2 strokes till they nail the lid down.

I'm not dismissing what you say as the future doesn't bode well for bikes and cars alike, but something i heard once was, "what one man can design, another man can find a way around it". So i just hope there is still enough enthusiasm in the world to keep finding ways around this technological bulls**t manufactures keep manipulating bikes and cars with! I think its the enthusiasts job to keep showing the next generations what real bikes/cars are all about, by keeping the older stuff running as an example of what they should be like! i.e easy to maintain at home and a lifespan that is under your control as the owner, not a decision that is taken away from you by some money hungry company. 

"Even if 2 stroke is special order and as socially acceptable as animal porn i hope to be running my wonderfully old tech 2 strokes till they nail the lid down"..

Funny as hell and very true, made me spit coffee all over the place         , (the cleaning bill is in the post btw!)

[pepperami]

Could there be time perameters built in to the systems of bikes so they start to have niggly faults when they are say 6-7 years old.

the eurotwats have also foisted construction and use limits

No i don't think we will be having old YZR's as classic transport in 2030.

Even if 2 stroke is special order and as socially acceptable as animal porn i hope to be running my wonderfully old tech 2 strokes till they nail the lid down.

built in obsolescense= build a good bike with one or two fragile parts that will eventually need to be replaced.

now make all of the spares but make less of the key/fragile parts= harder to find part= bike of the road= no fun.

people will keep the bike going for a few years then give up and get a new one= BINGO second sale of a bike!!!

[wild foamy]

i have to agree with cynic here, i've had a couple of mates who have bought brand new 50s/125s and one has wrote his off and isnt riding any more, the other has sold his on. they were all paying £800+ for insurance on their peds but i was only paying £200 for my DT (which i bought for a steal at £300).

not only that... but i had the fastest ped of the lot, nothing beats over taking a brand new Aerox on a scabby little DT ... that was until one of my mates upgraded to an Aprillia RS50.

[kishan]

i think its street cred and showing off to mates with flash bike then again i did that with my aerox100 haha and the 50 version i went for the look and bought them all brand new.

[Paulwhite]

i bought my 1st bike ( well ped ) second hand cost me 900 quid with helmet lock and jacket

my insurance was 300 quid tpft which was mint for a 16 year old then at 17 it got nicked so i opted to get a xvs dragstar 125.. bought it brand new cost £4000 and me insurance was 500 quid due to the claim of the ped. the motivation for buying it brand new was because i knew that it wouldnt of been thrashed or that i wouldnt need to replace anything due to an underlining problem plus it had a years warranty with free service and a buy back plan for if i wanted to sell it in the 1st year. all in all a good deal i think but mainly got it for the street cred cause it looks bigger than it is lol.

[kishan]

yeah i agree mate buyin a brand new bike means you know the engine aint gonan go bang anytime soon and you get them years free insurance and warrenty and etc

[LMRacing69]

I don't understand the logic, spend a couple of grand on a new bike then before the clock has made 3 figures look for ways to make it faster.

I don't see why people dont seek out tidy TZR's, Mito's even RG's. A flick through CMM and such shows up enough of em usually even restored they are well under a grand, and you can REALLY make them shift with nothing more than a pipe and some jetting.

The late 80's bikes are even free of all the stupid E marked exhausts rubbish and restrictive noise requirements. And you can get the old DT's and TZR's up to 230cc thats like 40 odd hp.

Am i just getting old.........

i brought a brand new motorhispania 50cc furia for 2k and tbh its great and im selling it soon and the person that want's to buy it from me does't mind paying 1.5 - 1.6 k for it and i think i have came out of that good.. but i id buy just a yamaha xt125 57reg for 1200 pounds and the owner had it from new and he lost alot!! lmaooo so i think im just lucky

[Ryan09]

I think if i were going to go back to a 125 it would have to be a classic as theres nothing else to draw me towards them, would have to be something like an RD or TZR.