Gas up - Let's Go! Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Not sure if many of you are aware of this, and to be honest as long as you aren't doing anything wrong it shouldn't be a problem, because as we all know our security services are 100% pure of any hint of mis-using this information, I mean, it's not as if we'd ever go to war over something they mis-represented is it ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7985339.stm Anyway, now Big Brother can see where you've been, who you are talking to and what you are reading. So if you want to keep things a secret - buy a newspaper, use a payphone and leave your GPS/Mobile Phone/Blackberry at home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild foamy Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 i knew they were watching me!... everyone said i was crazy but i knew i was right nobody is safe... the blue haddock flies at midnight, the jelly is out of the doughnut... ... i was never here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterC Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Another sad day for democracy. The world has become paranoid about terrorists - but the effects of such, whilst terminal for some, have very little relevance for the majority. Similar to retention of DNA samples - but the effect on crime reduction is nil, the police still solve less crimes now - with all the technology - than they did years ago using normal policing. :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Goff Posted April 6, 2009 Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2009 I think its a good thing. They are not keeping the content of emails etc, but in todays climate, anything that may help protect us can only be good in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little dave Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I will have to agree with goff. if youre not a criminal, or do anything that warrants the work needed to bring about a trial and dredging up the video, e-mail, or phone call. then you have nothing to worry about. if someone were to commit a major crime, it would be easier to connect the other players if law enforcement were privy to that information. but i believe that unless there is some hefty probable cause that these records should remain sealed by the courts. the only thing that the govt is going to get to use against me is calls from the wife asking me to bring home milk and lots of video of me picking my nose at traffic lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas up - Let's Go! Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 I think its a good thing. They are not keeping the content of emails etc, but in todays climate, anything that may help protect us can only be good in my book. The reason they are not keeping content (yet) is because it clashes with the Data Protection Act. They already have the Computer Misuse Act that covers all kinds of abuse and it ties in with a number of other criminal acts. Within a year or so there will be an ammendment to the Data Protection Act, and this will all change, but next time, as it will be a 'minor' change the chances are it won't even make the headlines...... I will have to agree with goff. if youre not a criminal, or do anything that warrants the work needed to bring about a trial and dredging up the video, e-mail, or phone call. then you have nothing to worry about. That's true, mostly - how many people have been released from Cuba recently with 'no charge' ?? It's not just the guilty who get nailed. if someone were to commit a major crime, it would be easier to connect the other players if law enforcement were privy to that information. but i believe that unless there is some hefty probable cause that these records should remain sealed by the courts. Not in the slightest - they can be viewed by anyone 'with just cause' (this is country dependent - some EU countries are objecting, so not all are going to use this) - so the local council, your employer ??? In reality, this is another daft law, the amount of data this is generating on a daily basis is HUGE, some ISPs are building new data centres just to cope with the storage - originally the retintion period was 5 years until someone gave the Government a maths lesson, and who has to pay for it, in the end you, via the ISP. And, the processing power to search the multitude of databases hasn't even been considered yet. So the upshot is, they are collecting data on you that they cannot use - so why do it?? Simples - because it's the thin end of a very large wedge. I work in this industry and have for many years, I've seen how the current laws can be used to track, prevent, stop - you name it we have a multitude of laws for it (in the UK anyway). The internet is monitored constantly - you never considered it free information passage did you ?, and things can be picked up. I just see no reason for this law, it doesn't deliver anything, but it will and we won't be able to do anything about it. Consider this; You post on this forum a post about the maximum speed you've done on your bike, or how you got from A to B in x minutes. A week later a fixed penalty notice appears on your doorstep. You post something about your tyre being bald, and how you had to ride home carefuly as it started to rain - a week later a £30 fine and 3 points appear on your doorstep. Your mate sends you an email with a MP3 attached, next thing you have a summons from Sony for breach of copyright You take a 'sicky', spend all day trawling the web, making a few forum posts - return to work - Fired! It's not so very far away - Still think it's a good idea ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Goff Posted April 6, 2009 Moderator Share Posted April 6, 2009 Consider this; You post on this forum a post about the maximum speed you've done on your bike, or how you got from A to B in x minutes. A week later a fixed penalty notice appears on your doorstep. You post something about your tyre being bald, and how you had to ride home carefuly as it started to rain - a week later a £30 fine and 3 points appear on your doorstep. Your mate sends you an email with a MP3 attached, next thing you have a summons from Sony for breach of copyright You take a 'sicky', spend all day trawling the web, making a few forum posts - return to work - Fired! It's not so very far away - Still think it's a good idea ?? Yes - because if you are stupid enough to post those things for all the world to see then its your own fault isnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shed hermit Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 i was asked to take a big bag of white powdery stuff up from london to liverpool last week for a "mate". doing over a ton all the way in a nicked merc with no insurance and bald tyres,oh and a klashnikov for protection. i havent heard anything yet, how long do they take to get in touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas up - Let's Go! Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 i was asked to take a big bag of white powdery stuff up from london to liverpool last week for a "mate". doing over a ton all the way in a nicked merc with no insurance and bald tyres,oh and a klashnikov for protection. i havent heard anything yet, how long do they take to get in touch? and that ^ is the absolute point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas up - Let's Go! Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Yes - because if you are stupid enough to post those things for all the world to see then its your own fault isnt it. OK, fair point - if you are stupid, your gonna get caught out. so : What about the huge amount of illegal porn you've been surfing ? those Peado sites ? But I hear you say I don't use them, never been there. Sure ? You have a wireless network, you think it's secure (cos you've enabled security), you've even done a bit digging and used WPA. I's not secure, it can be cracked, and it's not beyond the realms of child. The fact remains, your MAC addres (that is tied to a DHCP allocated IP address, that is also accountable now) has been seen to source this traffic. I've never been a one for the Amnesty people, always though that if someone was in the clink it's becasue they deserved it, no smoke without fire etc etc, if you break some countries rules then accept the punishment of that country etc etc. Perhaps it's because I can see the pitfalls (clear as day to me), how things can go wrong, or the flip side how the evidence is useless becasue it's not 'beyond doubt' I don't know. But I've got over 20 years in this area, and this new law scares the crap outa me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shed hermit Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 just of the phone to my "mate" and ive got a run on this week again so if any body needs a lift to liverpool on friday evening i will be leaving picadilly circus at 7.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild foamy Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 shit, maybe they saw me doing 150mph flat out on my DT down the M1 last weekend with my biatch no the back, no helmets, using petrol i didnt pay for and 3 tenbags of weed under the seat whilst taking a line of coke off the tank... ... i got an A in english for my creative writing piece of coursework Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fosdyke Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 shit, maybe they saw me doing 150mph flat out on my DT down the M1 last weekend with my biatch no the back, no helmets, using petrol i didnt pay for and 3 tenbags of weed under the seat whilst taking a line of coke off the tank... ... i got an A in english for my creative writing piece of coursework We may all jest...... but I have been doing battle with a major utility company for more than three years over a debt I don't owe - all because the 'computer' says I do! I have worked in the IT industry for more than 10 years and am with Gas up on this one.... i'd like to believe this legislation is to 'protect' us, but my experience is somewhat different, and if you think only those guilty ones need worry you are wrong. Hijacking your WiFi is just one way of stealing your net identity, there are far more hackers and script kiddies out there who can steal your net identity as well as your real one when you are online, and then like me you will have a real job on your hands to prove you are innocent! .....and if you are a real criminal you have nothing to fear.......the police are only interested in soft targets they can trace.....via their number plates (which aren't false)! :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas up - Let's Go! Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Ooops,, Just found this, by the very people we are supposed to trust to be whiter than white.......... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7986483.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fosdyke Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Ooops,, Just found this, by the very people we are supposed to trust to be whiter than white.......... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7986483.stm Anyone who thinks they have nothing to fear should watch this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7938949.stm ....nuff said? :o :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 none of this is new of course we are being watched monitered or spyed on ,civil liberties breached peoples rights infringed its just a pity that when they have got all this information they lose it mislay it, thats far more worrying, goverment departments sending data out of this country to be processed then finding its gone awol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little dave Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 shit, maybe they saw me doing 150mph flat out on my DT down the M1 last weekend with my biatch no the back, no helmets, using petrol i didnt pay for and 3 tenbags of weed under the seat whilst taking a line of coke off the tank... ... i got an A in english for my creative writing piece of coursework all I want to know (as im sure many here do) how the fick did you manage to keep a line of coke on the gas tank at 150? I tried to bring home a slurpee strapped to the backrack the other day and half of it blew out of the cup onto whomever was rear of me. and yes it is a slippery slope, but i think that it should be only usable in court and everything with lots of other evidence. not just what they found. example. so they caught you bragging on the net/email/etc about doing 150+ on your dt. thats what is called hearsay. they cant do a damn thing to you without more evidence. now if that hearsay prompts them to send an officer down to your neck of the woods and park his squadcar and radar gun on the M1 and see who he catches, that seems ok by me. as long as the officer is not looking for "you" but just a nondescript speeder. what we tend to forget because they are in our homes and offices, is that web chat rooms and forums etc, are a "public place" it just dosent feel public because we are usually by ourselves at the computer. but any number of millions of people worldwide can just come in and see what we say even after the fact. Just as I would never talk about my clandestine plans for world domination at a food court or in line at the theatre, wary should i be to speak of it on the web. we hear all the time how "once it is on the web, its there forever." wether it be that drunken pic of you at the office christmas party wearing a lampshade or something more illegal. remember: if youre not doing anything wrong, and youre in the right. that same technology can be used to back your story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YamaGod Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Here in Argentina, a few months ago,the Congress vote against a law that considered monitoring the net and communications.The thing is, that if they do that,the first to go into jail are themselves (politicians). Any type of control regarding actions that are against the law, is against them. Government is the chief of all the gangs of robbers , narcotrafficants,etc,etc A friend of mine (from the States), says that here is no law.There is a law,but nobody makes people fulfill the laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alto Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 The "if your not doing anything wrong then what is the problem" argument is besides the point. Cast you minds back to 1950, european convention on human rights. Right to privacy ring a bell? We prettymuch have a reworded version of the reichstag decree in force anyway... Now lets all form a daisy chain and bend over collectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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