robertmog Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 Heya everyone, my first topic here on yamahaclub! Since a few months ago I've been the owner of a FZ 600 from -88, the UK model, which won't give any spark at all. Already tried changing the CDI-box (prev. owner thought it might've burnt), the turning relay (41r-71, both burnt and broken so badly you could see it with the naked eye), changed battery, checked the ignition coils and alot more, but still nothing good out of it I've been starting to think about the CDI-box, anyone knows if there should be any special resistance in it, and if that's the case, anyone has any idea / clue about how to measure it? I've been reading the haynes manual to get any clues about it, but still nothing about that subject. I'd be thankfull for all help / ideas / tips I'd get, even if it doesn't concern the spark issue, as long as it's about the FZ 600 Thanks alot, in advice / Robert OT: Why can't the god damn snow disappear soon?! Wanna take the XT out for a ride once again EDIT: added the thing about haynes
Madison Motorsport Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 Not any particular help I know, but if you need any FZ parts, give me a shout BTW, where are you based?
robertmog Posted February 26, 2009 Author Posted February 26, 2009 Not any particular help I know, but if you need any FZ parts, give me a shout BTW, where are you based? That'd be a slight problem, living in Sweden ;p So the price for shipping is always very high when sending things from the UK, though, it's cheaper then sending things from the US. And I could add that I might think the prev. owner tried to change the electrical system to a US model, because the CDI-box for example has 2 more wires then the UK model should have, the turningrelay has 1 or 2 more wires and so on. But the funny thing is that that's pretty much the only things that've been changed at the electrical system... There's ALOT more difference between a US and UK model, when speaking about the electrical system. So, time for another question, do you people think I should try and remove ALL wires and get new ones there instead? And does anyone have any hunch about the time it'd take to remove them and put new ones there? Still looking for some more info about the CDI-box, should there be any resistance in it and such? ... Yeah, I'm pretty clueless when it comes to electrical things Got a multimeter and such, so I could check myself, though I gotta know what to check and such first
steve m Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Are none of the plugs sparking ?? check the low tension wiring make sure that it has not got rubbed through against the frame some where, usualy under the tank, you say you have changed the CDI box ? was that for another 2nd hand one ? also check the regulator/rectifier if this has gone pop then it could take out the new CDI unit.
robertmog Posted February 26, 2009 Author Posted February 26, 2009 Are none of the plugs sparking ?? check the low tension wiring make sure that it has not got rubbed through against the frame some where, usualy under the tank, you say you have changed the CDI box ? was that for another 2nd hand one ? also check the regulator/rectifier if this has gone pop then it could take out the new CDI unit. Totally dead on all plugs, the regulator/rectifier is checked and fully functional. The prev owner thought he might've burnt the CDI-box when he "tried out a few things", so he gave me a unused one with the bike, "just in case". I've checked the wiring but I haven't been able to see any place where it's damaged, so far. But I haven't "taken the wiring down fully", the original wiring still seems compact / untouched. Though, I gotta ask if anyone knows if the CDI-box could be damaged if you're trying to use a US model electrical system instead of the UK one, if you're only changing the CDI-box and the turningrelay one. And lastly, does anyone have any pictures about how the wires are connected to their turningrelay and their CDI-box that I could look at? I'll get a picture of how mine is connected to, as I think there's something wrong with it. / Robert
oldfz Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Totally dead on all plugs, the regulator/rectifier is checked and fully functional. The prev owner thought he might've burnt the CDI-box when he "tried out a few things", so he gave me a unused one with the bike, "just in case". I've checked the wiring but I haven't been able to see any place where it's damaged, so far. But I haven't "taken the wiring down fully", the original wiring still seems compact / untouched. Though, I gotta ask if anyone knows if the CDI-box could be damaged if you're trying to use a US model electrical system instead of the UK one, if you're only changing the CDI-box and the turningrelay one. And lastly, does anyone have any pictures about how the wires are connected to their turningrelay and their CDI-box that I could look at? I'll get a picture of how mine is connected to, as I think there's something wrong with it. / Robert Hi very interested in this ,,as i have exactly the same bike with exactly the same problem and done everything you have done also ,,grrrrrrrrrrr !! I can do you pictures and help all i can thru email if you like [email protected] I need to get my bike sorted so need your help also ,,hopefully we can get to the bottom of this !!
windard123 Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 When you attach a battery do you have all ignition lights etc. come on? is it literally only the spark plugs on the electrical side that isnt working?
oldfz Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 When you attach a battery do you have all ignition lights etc. come on? is it literally only the spark plugs on the electrical side that isnt working? On my one the oil light comes on when you press the starter button ,,otherwise just the neutral light is on
Dave C Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Just a thought, does it have any safety lockout devices fitted like sidestand switch or clutch switch as these can give unexpected problems.
robertmog Posted February 27, 2009 Author Posted February 27, 2009 When you attach a battery do you have all ignition lights etc. come on? is it literally only the spark plugs on the electrical side that isnt working? Well, all my lights and such works when i attach the battery and turns the key. Done a "bypass" on the sidestand switch. But what did you mean with the clutch switch? Tried to read about it in the haynes manual, but couldn't find anything about it :/ Thanks for the help Dave /Robert
steve m Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Have you checked the engine stop switch ??? yes I know that when you turn it off it stops the starter motor turning, but there is also a feed from there to the coils, check that the contacts are clean and not covered in green gunge,, worth a try !!
Moderator YamaHead Posted February 27, 2009 Moderator Posted February 27, 2009 Could be the pick-up coils are the guilty culprit......(left end of the crank)....which send the initial signal to the CDI/TCI box. Easy to get to......& worth having a look to check voltages.
robertmog Posted March 1, 2009 Author Posted March 1, 2009 Could be the pick-up coils are the guilty culprit......(left end of the crank)....which send the initial signal to the CDI/TCI box. Easy to get to......& worth having a look to check voltages. I've tried to check the voltages at the pick-up coil (as far as I could see there's only 1 at the FZ600? o_O) But haven't really gotten any "hits" on it, for me it looks like it's totally dead. Will try to get a picture today of the wiring to the CDI & turning relay. And will also check if it's a simple thing like a clutch switch. // Robert
oldfz Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 I've tried to check the voltages at the pick-up coil (as far as I could see there's only 1 at the FZ600? o_O) But haven't really gotten any "hits" on it, for me it looks like it's totally dead. Will try to get a picture today of the wiring to the CDI & turning relay. And will also check if it's a simple thing like a clutch switch. // Robert Hi ,,i sorted my spark out ,,single pick up and orange label tci (did have twin pick ups and blue tci) cut the black and white wire to the tci (thats what the cut outs run thru for stand clutch kill switch etc) (rejoin it later if required once probs are sorted )
robertmog Posted March 31, 2009 Author Posted March 31, 2009 Ok, now it's time for some updates. But first I gotta say I really hate some dealers of used parts. The "new but used" CDI-box I bought were totally broken, we had to open it up and check it out. The "smaller chip" or something like that were broken in 2, so no wonder I didn't get any spark or so... The old CDI-box that followed with the bike had been drained in water, I can promise you it didn't look fine But now, anyone knows if it MUST be a TID14-48 CDIbox, or would a TID14-68 work fine or such? Which ones do you people have? / Robert Oh, and right, I'm out driving the old XT500 now If anyone is visiting sweden / stockholm, hit me up for some riding or such
robertmog Posted April 2, 2009 Author Posted April 2, 2009 And god damn, anyone knows if it is the turning relay that's broken at a Yamaha XT 500 from -79 if the turning doesn't "blink" or such? It's just a constant light now And right, I've searched around the net for some more info about my FZ, does the UK model really have a minimum of 3 x CDI boxes, when the bikes are from -88? Found roughly 20ish different FZ600's from -88, with three different CDI boxes. TID14-48, TID14-68 and something more, can't remember the last one.. Help/answers is always appreciated
Moderator YamaHead Posted April 2, 2009 Moderator Posted April 2, 2009 And god damn, anyone knows if it is the turning relay that's broken at a Yamaha XT 500 from -79 if the turning doesn't "blink" or such? It's just a constant light now Yep....sounds like your flasher relay has gone south on you. If you haven't already.......have a look HERE.....LOADS of XT knowledge & help.
robertmog Posted April 3, 2009 Author Posted April 3, 2009 Ok, time for another update. The previous owner to the FZ has messed so much with the bike it's no use to even try to get it working. A friend of mine, which works at an repairshop for mc's gave me a long list of items I needed to buy if I wanted to get it working, and when comparing the prices of the bike and the items I need, it's better to scrap it. Bought it for 6000 SEK, needing items for roughly 23000 SEK. Which sucks ALOT. So, now I'll only be driving the XT500 instead. For my next mc, what should I buy instead, if we're talking about both longdrives and other things like that? /Robert
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